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Title: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: madpiano on March 11, 2011, 11:04:01 PM
I came across a discussion regarding preservative for room sprays. Do they need any?

I am not really sure....they are essentially oil and water, but I am not adding sugar, unless of course the emulsifier is sugar based?


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Eire on March 11, 2011, 11:10:34 PM
My understanding is you do need a preservative, unless there is alcohol, but that can't be sold.

Eire


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Alphya on March 11, 2011, 11:12:46 PM
But if you leave water for a long time, you get stuff growing in it, so I would say to add some.


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Michelle on March 12, 2011, 12:30:52 AM
I used  Cyclopentasiloxane in my room sprays  you can add up to 15% fragrance  so you only need one smal squirt but it is hellish expensive.  I only used 10%


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
I came across a discussion regarding preservative for room sprays. Do they need any?
I am not really sure....they are essentially oil and water, but I am not adding sugar, unless of course the emulsifier is sugar based?
What sort of oil MP? Just fragrance oil? If so, no preservative required really - not a cosmetic product so same rules don't apply. Which emulsifier? PS?


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: madpiano on March 12, 2011, 10:10:28 AM
I am thinking of using one of the Polysorbates, yes. Not sure which one will have to look into that. Otherwise it will be just water and FO/EO


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Avril on March 12, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
I am thinking of using one of the Polysorbates, yes. Not sure which one will have to look into that. Otherwise it will be just water and FO/EO

hi MP, yes I thiink you are on the right track re the Polysorbates, I recall it was added in one of the course I went on a couple of years ago....


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Scenty on March 20, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
I'm another one using cyclo .. its pricey but if you can buy in bulk you'll make a saving .. I was going to use the distilled water/vodka/poly way but cyclo is so much easier


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: abrit on March 20, 2011, 02:42:15 PM
I use cyclo too - but damned expensive!


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Scott on March 20, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
Anyone else noticed that some FOs don't dissolve in cyclo? I tried to make a 10% fragrance for use in a rollerball (Kenzo dupe from GF) - just separated into two layers  ???


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Eire on March 20, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
Try it with some PS20.

Eire


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Scott on March 20, 2011, 10:21:16 PM
Got it to work at the time thanks Eire  (with PS20) - just an observation that cyclo doesn't work for all fragrances (or I'm unlucky to have chosen the only one that it doesn't work with)


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Eire on March 20, 2011, 10:30:16 PM
Maybe it's the type of cyclo??

Eire


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Scott on March 20, 2011, 10:37:09 PM
Maybe it's the type of cyclo??

Eire
Possibly, although most silicone based solvents are likely to behave in the same way - I've noticed some really interesting carriers/solvents (non alcohol / cyclo based) for this type of application coming in from the states in commercial formulations - will be interesting to see if they filter into the small scale market - 'course for rollerball perfumes, jojoba or fractionated coconut usually does the job - I was just "playing" with cyclo when I noticed this


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Eire on March 20, 2011, 10:38:52 PM
Think I spotted one of them just out on a suppliers site in the States (maybe about a month ago).

Eire


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Scott on March 20, 2011, 10:44:09 PM
Neopentyl Glycol Diheptanoate is the one I was thinking of - also used in lip glosses and as an emollient


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Suzanne on April 08, 2011, 09:15:04 PM
Just noticed this thread. I have bought a room spray which does not have preservatives in. All it has is "spring water, rose absolute & geranium essential oils with Wild Rose Flower Remedy." I have had mine for a while and it is still fine.

What was the consensus about preservatives?


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Alphya on April 08, 2011, 11:58:36 PM
See.. I dunno if this is just me being odd.. if you leave water for a time, it just has bacteria growing in it. I feel a bit weird spraying that around my house..


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Suzanne on April 11, 2011, 06:20:07 PM
Would using something like a flower water as a base help? Don't they have some alcohol in?

I have been asked whether I make any room sprays, that and hand creams both of which are on my very long list of things to do.


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: nakedtruthbeauty on April 11, 2011, 08:55:31 PM
Quote
my very long list of things to do
Ha, know all about that one!  :mwaha:


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: Suzanne on April 11, 2011, 09:15:53 PM
But it never gets any shorter.


Title: Re: Room Spray - Preservative Needed?
Post by: EJ on April 11, 2011, 10:12:41 PM
Would using something like a flower water as a base help? Don't they have some alcohol in?

Floral waters/hydrosols frequently have preservative - those without have a very limited shelf life after opening.