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Title: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 06, 2011, 05:55:06 PM
Made my first EcoSoy ExCel "container" candle yesterday - and boy did I get the wick size wrong  :-[ :'( :'(
Burn test gave me a 1.5" diameter wax pool in a jar that was 3" diameter and that'll teach me to check wick sizes with container diameters. It is a pity, because the fragrance (when you get your nose over the candle, that is) is lovely (lemongrass, basil and lime EOs) and I think with the correct wick, the throw would've been quite good .

Ah well, will recycle the wax and start over when I get the correct wicks (ordered 'em last night).

Does anyone have any good tips re: preventing the container candles cooling too quickly? I made teacup candles yesterday too, and have the dreaded crack circling the wick on two of them. The last one was poured at a much lower temperature and hasn't cracked round the wick but IS cracking round the sides of the teacups. I have ordered some EcoSoy Advanced to see whether this makes a difference.





Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Suzanne on March 06, 2011, 06:24:51 PM
I have never had a problem with soy wax cracking or sinking around the wick. What temperature did you heat to?


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 06, 2011, 07:30:40 PM
Hi, Suzanne

The wax was heated to 175F - I wonder whether we poured it too hot and should have let it cool a lot more than we did - we poured around 145F (can you telll I have a Fahrenheit-only thermometer  ;))
The kitchen wasn't particularly warm yesterday evening - just wonder whether this could've had an effect too as the instruction sheet I've just found on the NGI wax site says the candles should be cooled at ambient temperatures of 70F (21C)

All help and suggestions gratefully received!


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Suzanne on March 06, 2011, 07:57:27 PM
145F is about 63C so it should have been ok.  I don't heat it much more than that though. Did you heat the teacups?


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 06, 2011, 08:10:10 PM
Hi, Suzanne

Yes, I did initially heat the teacups (and the containers) but the teacups had probably cooled down a fair bit by the time we poured the wax. Do you pre-heat?

EcoSoy Excel says you shouldn't need to pre-heat the containers, but I think we will next time round. They also say that it is single-pour but I'm none too convinced at the moment.

I wonder if our initial melt temp was too high at 175F - hmmmmm

What soy wax do you use?

Thanks for your help  ;D


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Suzanne on March 06, 2011, 08:15:12 PM
I get my wax from 4candles. They recommend heating the glasses to 30 degrees. The wax they sell is from NGI so I guess it is the same as you are using.

Might be a daft questions but are you using container wax?


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 06, 2011, 09:09:32 PM
Hi, Suzanne

Not a daft question, but yes, it is container wax (from 4 candles) - I think the problem may be three-fold..........we poured the wax too hot, the containers were not warm enough and the room was too cold so the candles cooled too quickly. As for the wicks, well I definitely had a senior moment when I ordered them  :-[ :-[

What temps do you use to melt/pour/cool?

Hugs, Pam


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Michelle on March 06, 2011, 11:38:10 PM
I always use to warm the containers in the gas oven , mark 3 whilst I was haeting the wax and from memory use a lx22 in that size container. I never had a problemm with containe wax pulling back.

You may have to do afair bit of wick experimenation with advanced eco soy. Just do enough for one container candle. It can bea bugger


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 07, 2011, 11:49:11 AM
Hi, Michelle and Suzanne!

Thanks for all your help - will be donning my white coat and experimenting later today
(mwah-ha-ha-ha - Igor, pass me the wick!)

Hugs, Pam


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Vanilla on March 07, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
Oh I sympathise with you Menolly, I have been trying to learn how to make soy container candles too.  I have just bought a load of different sized wick samples from 4candles.

I always get a problem with the wax cracking, not necessarily around the wick, sometimes straight across the top or near the edges.  I followed some advice i read somewhere that said pre-heating containers was not necessary with the wax I was using, but I think I will disregard this advice & heat them next time!


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: alishelly on March 07, 2011, 12:05:39 PM
 Found this on the candle science website, its worth a look  :D
www.candlescience.com/video/choosing-the-right-wick-size.php


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: retropants on March 07, 2011, 02:29:48 PM
did you know that you have to use a larger wick with soy waxes? I always use bigger than stated, and test a few times too. If my house is cold when I pour the candles, I pop the tray of setting candles over or near a radiator, so that they cool down more slowly. this helps minimise cracking, which i used to get a lot. I never preheat the jars either.


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Vanilla on March 07, 2011, 03:18:01 PM
If my house is cold when I pour the candles, I pop the tray of setting candles over or near a radiator, so that they cool down more slowly. this helps minimise cracking, which i used to get a lot. I never preheat the jars either.

Thanks for that tip retro!


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 07, 2011, 03:49:39 PM
Oh I sympathise with you Menolly, I have been trying to learn how to make soy container candles too.  I have just bought a load of different sized wick samples from 4candles.

Ha! So have I.....I WILL crack this problem (please forgive the unintentional pun!)

I always get a problem with the wax cracking, not necessarily around the wick, sometimes straight across the top or near the edges. 

It's a pain, isn't it - especially when they look fine after pouring then go all cracked a couple of hours later  >:(


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 07, 2011, 03:53:07 PM
If my house is cold when I pour the candles, I pop the tray of setting candles over or near a radiator, so that they cool down more slowly. this helps minimise cracking, which i used to get a lot. I never preheat the jars either.

Now, that's a good idea, retro - perhaps I should tray them up and pop them into the (cool )oven that I have used to warm the containers! This shouldn't affect the wicks, should it?


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Vanilla on March 07, 2011, 03:55:41 PM
It's a pain, isn't it - especially when they look fine after pouring then go all cracked a couple of hours later  >:(

yep it's enough to drive you mad isn't it?!  I have even had 1 or 2 candles which looked fine when poured, when cooled they had developed a massive hole in the wax near the wick!  Not sure if this was from pouring too hot or something.


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 07, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
Found this on the candle science website, its worth a look  :D
www.candlescience.com/video/choosing-the-right-wick-size.php

Just had a look at this - thanks so much for posting the link, it is really useful to be able to see the effects!


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: halfabubbleoffplumb on March 08, 2011, 04:15:22 AM
hi, sorry I'm late to this. hi, menolly - I have used the ecosoya advanced and am now using the CB135 - I went mad in the beginning as every where I looked online, I got a different answer. I started be going straight to the manufacturers site and used their instructions - horrid. So, I called around t some suppliers and they told me to pour when "slushy" - depending on the FO that seems to be between 100F and 115F. I don't preheat the jars but when the house is busy, I pour into the jars while they're on a cookie sheet (is this called something else there?) and when the wax has set enough to move, I leave them in the oven (sometimes cool and sometimes I set to warm and then turn the oven off for a little while before putting them in so it's just a tad warm). I've not used excel but if memory serves, it's made to shrink away from the sides of the jar to give a more uniform effect like the advanced but is more solid to resist melting - like when you have a fair outdoors inthe summer. I liked the advanced but the 135 has a better throw - it does bloom a bit though, but some people look for that as a sign of a good quality natural soy candle. so,  :mwaha: whole lot of words to say "pour when slushy".


Title: Re: Wick Woes
Post by: Menolly on March 08, 2011, 09:14:31 AM
Thanks, Halfabubble - yes, I looked round the internet too and (like you) I found a lot of conflicting information. In fact, when I called 4candles yesterday, the wicks that Kara advised were different to the ones that (I think, as I had by now got info overload and couldn't remember where I'd got it from) a manufacturer recommended as "best" and it isn't as if 4candles don't stock the "recommended" one. I decided to go with Kara and ordered more wicks (and other things), all of which will arrive today.
I think the idea about standing the containers on a cookie sheet and putting them in the oven after pouring is a good one.
I'm going to try the Advanced, although I am coming round to thinking that a "natural "colour may be the way to go, so blooming wouldn't be that much of an issue, so will also try the CB135.

Thanks to all of you - I really LOVE this forum (such a helpful group of like-minded people and so much great advice and inspiration!!!!)  :buttrf: